Comments on: Exportation of horses to Mexico for slaughter increases 312% http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/ Horse Health and News for the Equestrian. Contact EquineU.com: info@equineU.com or 805.929.0921. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:33:04 +0000 http://podbean.com/?v=3.2 by: Amanda http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-204897 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:18:05 +0000 http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-204897 thanks for the information thanks for the information

]]> by: Jess http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-87194 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:16:13 +0000 http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-87194 I raise, breed, show, EAT, love, and train animals of all shapes and sizes. Here are some cons and then pros about horse slaughter... Cows are just cows. With horses you can ride them, they pull carts, and you can show them. Ever herd of 4-H where you show market or breeding cattle? Or herd of an ox pull a cart for transpiration, work, or enjoyment? I even rode my uncle's cow Lucy around the pasture. The difference? People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger. Horses have feelings and it’s wrong to eat horse… Why is it wrong to eat horse but not swine, cattle, poultry, goat, and so on? Are we not designed to eat meat? Yeah, sure horses feel, but so do other livestock. They can get sick and die, bleed if cut, cry if hurt. I have a 4-H steer who cut his lip and had tears role down his face. The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger. It’s inhumane… I will agree that not all slaughter plants are humane, but not all are inhumane. Some take very could care of their livestock. Would you prefer to raise a horse for slaughter that only ways 700 lbs. and is sick or a 1200 lbs. that is healthy? The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger. Horses aren’t food they are pets and show love to their owners… So do swine, cattle, poultry, goat, and so on. I raise, as I said above, many different varieties of animals including horses. I have a pig who will let me get in with her and her piglets, pick up a squealing baby, and not even have her bat an eye at me. While when my friend goes near her piglets she threatens to bite. She knows me, trust me, and LOVES me. Oh that’s right there just stupid animals, right? I don’t think so. Horses are a prey animal, meaning other animals (such as humans) prey on them! The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger. Its better to use euthanization on a horse then use a captive bolt…. I have had animals that were sadly to week, hurt, sick, what ever to go on in life. Not always is euthanization a good death as the word means. Sometimes they may struggle, cry our, or luckily pass on without a sign of pain. Captive bolts are delivered into the brain (most often) killing the horse instantly. But we are only human and sometimes a second captive bolt shot may need to be used. The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger. This is the US of A and we do not agree with consumption of horses… We? I am an AMERICAN and I am FOR horse slaughter. Besides isn’t America the land of the free? What gives us a right to say ‘Hey you cant do that!’ or ‘you cant eat that’!? Some people think it is horrible that we could even consider consummation of beef and swine. Should we stop eating it because other say it is wrong? I sure as heck won’t! I LOVE my meat! And what about vegetarians who are just completely not for slaughter. Should we stop eating meat completely to satisfy them? Besides you don’t want to eat horses cause they feel pain. Scientists have done a study and found plants react to pain and comfort. Now are we going to just starve? This is my opinion. I don’t wish to offend anyone. I am against inhumane slaughter, but not slaughter itself. Those against slaughter need to look in a mirror. We eat to survive. With out food we die. I raise, breed, show, EAT, love, and train animals of all shapes and sizes. Here are some cons and then pros about horse slaughter…

Cows are just cows. With horses you can ride them, they pull carts, and you can show them.

Ever herd of 4-H where you show market or breeding cattle? Or herd of an ox pull a cart for transpiration, work, or enjoyment? I even rode my uncle’s cow Lucy around the pasture. The difference? People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger.

Horses have feelings and it’s wrong to eat horse…

Why is it wrong to eat horse but not swine, cattle, poultry, goat, and so on? Are we not designed to eat meat? Yeah, sure horses feel, but so do other livestock. They can get sick and die, bleed if cut, cry if hurt. I have a 4-H steer who cut his lip and had tears role down his face. The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger.

It’s inhumane…

I will agree that not all slaughter plants are humane, but not all are inhumane. Some take very could care of their livestock. Would you prefer to raise a horse for slaughter that only ways 700 lbs. and is sick or a 1200 lbs. that is healthy? The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger.

Horses aren’t food they are pets and show love to their owners…

So do swine, cattle, poultry, goat, and so on. I raise, as I said above, many different varieties of animals including horses. I have a pig who will let me get in with her and her piglets, pick up a squealing baby, and not even have her bat an eye at me. While when my friend goes near her piglets she threatens to bite. She knows me, trust me, and LOVES me. Oh that’s right there just stupid animals, right? I don’t think so. Horses are a prey animal, meaning other animals (such as humans) prey on them! The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger.

Its better to use euthanization on a horse then use a captive bolt….

I have had animals that were sadly to week, hurt, sick, what ever to go on in life. Not always is euthanization a good death as the word means. Sometimes they may struggle, cry our, or luckily pass on without a sign of pain. Captive bolts are delivered into the brain (most often) killing the horse instantly. But we are only human and sometimes a second captive bolt shot may need to be used. The difference. People think of a horse as a horse and a steer as a hamburger.

This is the US of A and we do not agree with consumption of horses…

We? I am an AMERICAN and I am FOR horse slaughter. Besides isn’t America the land of the free? What gives us a right to say ‘Hey you cant do that!’ or ‘you cant eat that’!? Some people think it is horrible that we could even consider consummation of beef and swine. Should we stop eating it because other say it is wrong? I sure as heck won’t! I LOVE my meat! And what about vegetarians who are just completely not for slaughter. Should we stop eating meat completely to satisfy them?

Besides you don’t want to eat horses cause they feel pain. Scientists have done a study and found plants react to pain and comfort. Now are we going to just starve?

This is my opinion. I don’t wish to offend anyone. I am against inhumane slaughter, but not slaughter itself. Those against slaughter need to look in a mirror. We eat to survive. With out food we die.

]]> by: Barbara http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-72050 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:45:13 +0000 http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-72050 Dani, however is just silly. There already were reams of regulations for the slaughterhouses and for the agents/transporters. They transport laws were vague and unenforceable, and attempts to enforce them (despite a 50 million dollar budget) were, by the government's own admission, virtually non-existent. Further, the "captive bolt" is only a humane method under ideal circumstances, and unskilled people were not supervised. Further, pleasure horses, race horses, etc. not raised for meat, are given dewormers, bute, ace, etc. which makes the meat unfit for human consumption. Not to mention inspection for other diseases or putrefied flesh from untreated wounds. Yet, USDA inspection and supervision, despite American taxpayers spending another 50 million, wasn't happening - because, obviously almost all of the meat would have been rejected on those grounds alone. Further, Dani, just as hundreds of State Dept., Def. Dept. and academics thought of the potential consequences of the invasion of Iraq and deposing of the grizzly mass murderer Sadaam Hussein and his pyschotic, sociopathic sons, hundreds of thinking people thought about the consequences of shutting down the abbatoirs, and mobilized resources to absorb the horses through rehoming, retraining, and retirement. Since the slaughterhouses didn't buy skinny horses, old horses, or many ponies, those horses were already being taken care of. Now, if we can get the Thoroughbred, Quarterhorse, and Arabian breeders to stop overbreeding and sending their leftovers to auction for pennies, we won't have to get them to cough up the dough for their rescues. PS: 2 of my horses were stolen from my farm and sold to slaughter. Exactly what service was that to the public or to me? Dani, however is just silly. There already were reams of regulations for the slaughterhouses and for the agents/transporters. They transport laws were vague and unenforceable, and attempts to enforce them (despite a 50 million dollar budget) were, by the government’s own admission, virtually non-existent. Further, the “captive bolt” is only a humane method under ideal circumstances, and unskilled people were not supervised. Further, pleasure horses, race horses, etc. not raised for meat, are given dewormers, bute, ace, etc. which makes the meat unfit for human consumption. Not to mention inspection for other diseases or putrefied flesh from untreated wounds. Yet, USDA inspection and supervision, despite American taxpayers spending another 50 million, wasn’t happening - because, obviously almost all of the meat would have been rejected on those grounds alone. Further, Dani, just as hundreds of State Dept., Def. Dept. and academics thought of the potential consequences of the invasion of Iraq and deposing of the grizzly mass murderer Sadaam Hussein and his pyschotic, sociopathic sons, hundreds of thinking people thought about the consequences of shutting down the abbatoirs, and mobilized resources to absorb the horses through rehoming, retraining, and retirement. Since the slaughterhouses didn’t buy skinny horses, old horses, or many ponies, those horses were already being taken care of. Now, if we can get the Thoroughbred, Quarterhorse, and Arabian breeders to stop overbreeding and sending their leftovers to auction for pennies, we won’t have to get them to cough up the dough for their rescues. PS: 2 of my horses were stolen from my farm and sold to slaughter. Exactly what service was that to the public or to me?

]]> by: Barbara http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-72048 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:27:52 +0000 http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-72048 Carole is right, the AVMA is a sellout to the AQHA, and the cattle, pig and poultry ranchers who are unreasonably scared that because we DONT want to slaughter our pleasure horses the next step will be to ban the slaughter of animals bred and raised for human consumption. A rather paranoid intellectual leap. 300 million red-blooded meat-eating Americans are not going to ban beef, chicken and pork. But they don't slaughter their dogs and cats to be eaten by the Chinese, and they don't need to or want to slaughter their horses. If it is so humane and supervised, why doesn't AVMA recommend it in its euthanasia brochure for horse owners? Why weren't any of the horses inspected for dewormers and bute and Ace, all of which could have been given to the horses before they were sold at auction? Why don't the killer buyers identify themselves proudly, if they are doing such a great public service? Because that's a bunch of propaganda. Yup, some of those guys are trying to hang on to their grizly business by hauling to Juarez. So let's do the math: the US plants slaughtered 90,000 horses in 2006, and for 2003-2007 the US exported 1,000 for slaughter to Mexico. Spike of 312% means due to the closure of the U.S. plants the US exported (through Texas, where the plants were) 3,120 horses. What happened to the other 86,880 horses? Abandoned? 3 of the 5 National news articles have been proven to be HOAXES. Abuse and neglect? While these cases are conveniently (thanks to the PR of the pro-slaughter folks) making the news, these are HOARDERS who have always been out there, and have always been prosecuted, just not as publicized. Rescues swamped? Yes, we have more rescues, in preparation for the end of slaughter, and they are swamped because of drought, disaster, blizzards, the smallest hay crop since 1953, and having to compete with cattle for it for all these reasons, AND the small hay crop is also partly due to conversion to corn growing due to the ethanol craze. But you know what? NONE of those folks tried to knowingly send their horses to slaughter. None of their vets recommended it either. Guess you better add that to your horse owner education programs. Carole is right, the AVMA is a sellout to the AQHA, and the cattle, pig and poultry ranchers who are unreasonably scared that because we DONT want to slaughter our pleasure horses the next step will be to ban the slaughter of animals bred and raised for human consumption. A rather paranoid intellectual leap. 300 million red-blooded meat-eating Americans are not going to ban beef, chicken and pork. But they don’t slaughter their dogs and cats to be eaten by the Chinese, and they don’t need to or want to slaughter their horses. If it is so humane and supervised, why doesn’t AVMA recommend it in its euthanasia brochure for horse owners? Why weren’t any of the horses inspected for dewormers and bute and Ace, all of which could have been given to the horses before they were sold at auction? Why don’t the killer buyers identify themselves proudly, if they are doing such a great public service? Because that’s a bunch of propaganda. Yup, some of those guys are trying to hang on to their grizly business by hauling to Juarez. So let’s do the math: the US plants slaughtered 90,000 horses in 2006, and for 2003-2007 the US exported 1,000 for slaughter to Mexico. Spike of 312% means due to the closure of the U.S. plants the US exported (through Texas, where the plants were) 3,120 horses. What happened to the other 86,880 horses? Abandoned? 3 of the 5 National news articles have been proven to be HOAXES. Abuse and neglect? While these cases are conveniently (thanks to the PR of the pro-slaughter folks) making the news, these are HOARDERS who have always been out there, and have always been prosecuted, just not as publicized. Rescues swamped? Yes, we have more rescues, in preparation for the end of slaughter, and they are swamped because of drought, disaster, blizzards, the smallest hay crop since 1953, and having to compete with cattle for it for all these reasons, AND the small hay crop is also partly due to conversion to corn growing due to the ethanol craze. But you know what? NONE of those folks tried to knowingly send their horses to slaughter. None of their vets recommended it either. Guess you better add that to your horse owner education programs.

]]> by: Carole http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-69875 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:04:51 +0000 http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-69875 "POOR PLANNING caused our beautiful horses to suffer more and I blame no one but the people who tried so hard to shut the U.S. plants down." Blame whom you want, but it is the people who put their horses into the slaughter process who cause their OWN horses to suffer. " Another worthless law will not stop the suffering of them." But the very worthwhile S. 311 WILL because American horses will no longer be crossing the border into Mexico or Canada. It is unfortunate that the AVMA does not fully disclose its connection with pro-slaughter advocates. It's a shameful ethical sell-out. “POOR PLANNING caused our beautiful horses to suffer more and I blame no one but the people who tried so hard to shut the U.S. plants down.”

Blame whom you want, but it is the people who put their horses into the slaughter process who cause their OWN horses to suffer.

” Another worthless law will not stop the suffering of them.”

But the very worthwhile S. 311 WILL because American horses will no longer be crossing the border into Mexico or Canada.

It is unfortunate that the AVMA does not fully disclose its connection with pro-slaughter advocates. It’s a shameful ethical sell-out.

]]> by: Dani http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-69814 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:00:02 +0000 http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-69814 I believe that the people who pushed so hard to ban horse slaughter made many mistakes. First, instead of fixing the original problem (inhumane horse slaughter), they vowed to try and ban it altogether without thinking of the consequences (reminds me of Iraq). POOR PLANNING caused our beautiful horses to suffer more and I blame no one but the people who tried so hard to shut the U.S. plants down. Instead, the U.S. plants should have had hardcore supervision, requirements and fines imposed upon them to insure the humane treatment of America's wasted horses. Another worthless law will not stop the suffering of them. And if you think it will, I'm sorry but you have not thought of the consequences once again. Makes me just sick. I believe that the people who pushed so hard to ban horse slaughter made many mistakes. First, instead of fixing the original problem (inhumane horse slaughter), they vowed to try and ban it altogether without thinking of the consequences (reminds me of Iraq). POOR PLANNING caused our beautiful horses to suffer more and I blame no one but the people who tried so hard to shut the U.S. plants down. Instead, the U.S. plants should have had hardcore supervision, requirements and fines imposed upon them to insure the humane treatment of America’s wasted horses. Another worthless law will not stop the suffering of them. And if you think it will, I’m sorry but you have not thought of the consequences once again. Makes me just sick.

]]> by: vicki http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-69697 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:08:23 +0000 http://equineu.podbean.com/2008/01/06/exportation-of-horses-to-mexico-for-slaughter-increases-312/#comment-69697 And yet, the AVMA does not support S 311 that will close the borders. The organization execs need to reread the oath they took. They are despicable and it's no wonder so many vets are fed up with them. And yet, the AVMA does not support S 311 that will close the borders. The organization execs need to reread the oath they took. They are despicable and it’s no wonder so many vets are fed up with them.

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